tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post7674840530265425627..comments2024-03-26T01:52:45.563-07:00Comments on Fred's Place: Leconte de Lisle: "The Jaguar's Dream"Fredhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-65041871942034597212016-07-30T19:16:00.780-07:002016-07-30T19:16:00.780-07:00Brian Joseph,
Good point. If it's a wonderful...Brian Joseph,<br /><br />Good point. If it's a wonderful picture, then the symbolism is an added benefit, but it's the overall impression that really is important.<br /><br />And it was exactly that which caused me to return to the poem.<br />Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-21874804257499177172016-07-30T19:09:57.797-07:002016-07-30T19:09:57.797-07:00Mudpuddle,
I know what you mean, but I experience...Mudpuddle,<br /><br />I know what you mean, but I experience that more in a forest than in the mountains. Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-15727584693755118572016-07-30T19:06:54.200-07:002016-07-30T19:06:54.200-07:00R.T.,
Interesting comparison. It hadn't occur...R.T.,<br /><br />Interesting comparison. It hadn't occurred to me, but there is that dichotomy there--sleeping peacefully, perhaps purring, as it dreams of killing the bull. <br /><br />And, to me, the surroundings do suggest a certain Garden.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-40489454574580887962016-07-30T11:35:09.996-07:002016-07-30T11:35:09.996-07:00Brian (et al), in the world of semiotics, are thin...Brian (et al), in the world of semiotics, are things are symbols. In Plato, all "reality" is imitation. So, don't we need to see beyond surfaces and shadows in all things, especially if all we experience is representation rather than presentation. Forgive my babbling. I'm in that kind of mood this afternoon. Plato has invaded my brain!RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-44636675117809878172016-07-30T07:19:21.458-07:002016-07-30T07:19:21.458-07:00Sometimes it is more then enough to enjoy the beau...Sometimes it is more then enough to enjoy the beauty of the words in a poem without figuring out things like metaphors or symbolism. This verse does indeed paint a wonderful picture. Brian Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15139559400312336791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-73799778208425644322016-07-29T20:56:21.588-07:002016-07-29T20:56:21.588-07:00the poem as a whole is remarkable, but "motio...the poem as a whole is remarkable, but "motionless where the air is languorous" appeals quite a bit... reminds me of occasions when i've been hiking in the mountains and halted for a bit: of a sudden the air seems laden, something there i can't quite sense; as if the world had something to say and couldn't quite get it out; almost like time stops, or was never there in the first place... hard to describe, but an unusual experience; a jaguar appearing in that instant would not be a large surprise...Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-4750282496025036962016-07-29T16:39:38.583-07:002016-07-29T16:39:38.583-07:00Fred, the dichotomy reminds me of William Blake...Fred, the dichotomy reminds me of William Blake's views (i.e., the marriage of heaven and hell; the lamb and the tiger; songs of innocence and songs of experience); the unanswered question in "The Tyger" still concerns me. Perhaps the jaguar shares something with Blake's feline.RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-50646657804127992132016-07-29T15:46:16.573-07:002016-07-29T15:46:16.573-07:00Mudpuddle,
What's your favorite line?Mudpuddle,<br /><br />What's your favorite line?Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-28034253513445010732016-07-29T15:42:25.271-07:002016-07-29T15:42:25.271-07:00Mudpuddle,
"Implicit violence in his measure...Mudpuddle,<br /><br />"Implicit violence in his measured tread."<br /><br />I love watching cats move, even the smallest house cat. I'd be reading and look up and see my cat come across the carpet, jump up on my lap, and settle down for a nap. She didn't walk or trot; she stalked across the carpet. And she didn't come across the open carpet; she would stalk or prowl along the wall, duck under a small end table, and then jump up.<br /><br />I have often thought that Snoopy, the dog in the Peanuts cartoon, was more cat than dog, for the cats I have seen and adopted did far more role-playing than other people's dogs, or so it seemed to me. Dogs live in our world, but cats spend much of their time somewhere else. Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-41500629804693716682016-07-29T15:19:43.920-07:002016-07-29T15:19:43.920-07:00fred: what's your favorite line?fred: what's your favorite line?Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-41919569599574574092016-07-29T14:18:39.320-07:002016-07-29T14:18:39.320-07:00Mudpuddle,
I feel that I enter into the poem, rat...Mudpuddle,<br /><br />I feel that I enter into the poem, rather than remain on the outside, looking in, when I read it. Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-15118277351431527082016-07-29T14:13:43.002-07:002016-07-29T14:13:43.002-07:00R.T.,
Interesting dichotomy--I never saw that. In...R.T.,<br /><br />Interesting dichotomy--I never saw that. In this case, would the beast also belong on the beauty side?<br /><br />The images are clear and palpable. <br />Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10233846613173866140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-32582824127973897112016-07-29T14:05:11.828-07:002016-07-29T14:05:11.828-07:00haha; rt, you're a riot! that's funny! ...haha; rt, you're a riot! that's funny! i have to go into the other room now to get my elephant gun and native guide... before i read this poem again. actually, i was thinking while reading that it sounded a lot like marly youmans' poetry, with the florid description and flashing references...Mudpuddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17194891656971454279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-897228097627164771.post-80088723559870208152016-07-29T11:10:03.774-07:002016-07-29T11:10:03.774-07:00The beauty and beast combine with peace and impend...The beauty and beast combine with peace and impending death in disturbing ways. I feel as though I need mosquito repellant, rifle, and a reliable native guide; otherwise, I too risk being disturbed by death.RTDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17113953356514605424noreply@blogger.com